Lil Miss Bump Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 this was the original http://news.bbc.co.u...and/8578787.stm this is what has happened since http://www.heraldsun...x-1225990668968 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingBlaze n Skyla Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 is it the same people? the last names are different? anyway...... i cant belive some people - they are people just like the rest of us! they should have been allowed to stay gay or not! - im glad they won their case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KERNOWHUSKIES Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 i was gunna do a thread on this earlier cos 2 my shame these disgutin people live a stones throw from us. They r known 4 chuckin religion down ur throat in my Town n im so glad they didnt get away with it. The b n b is the rd nxt to mine, wkd view tho ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Miss Bump Posted January 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 oooops wrong follow up!!!!! lmao!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingBlaze n Skyla Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 lmao diz - well im glad the ones who won their case did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
art1972@sky.com Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 I saw the couple from the follow up on bbc breakfast this morning. They have a dog called George. Anyway I thought "Christians" were meant to be helpful and kind - so unless the b&b owners knew something about the room the guys would have to sleep in that no-one else did then surely they cant be "christian". I think that Stacey said on another thread that they weren't allowed on a camp site because they were lesbians - bloody hell do we still live in the 1950's in this country or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staceybob Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Personally (similar to what I said on my photo thread) I think the majority of the christian community has blown the bible passage out of proportion. The only thing the bible stated about gay people before others started tampering with it was "Thou shalt not commit adultery". Now a days the majority of christians have turned this into more of a homophobic aspect than what the passage is actually trying to say. The bible clearly states that god loves everyone, just one of the things god doesn't like is adultery. No where does it say God sentances all homosexuals to hell for their sins lol. Obviously people are entitled to their own views on homosexuality, but I think if you are running a B&B or hotel or something, you should be prepared to have visitors from all different sexualities, ethnicities - all sorts. If you aren't prepared for that then you should probably reconsider your business. Me and Robyn are openly gay, but we find that in quiet areas we have to be particularly careful. Robyn has had petrol poured on her for being a lesbian and they tried to set her on fire. I've had people try to set my hair on fire and stuff before too. Last year we went to Birmingham Gay Pride and as we were leaving a man started shouting things about our sexual lives at us and started threatening us. I think we were very lucky there was security there that day. I also hate being asked if we will kiss for guys as well. I've had some people be really pushy about it, like in the past I've had guys grab me by the wrist and say, no go on, get in the phonebooth and kiss her for us. Stacey xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
art1972@sky.com Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 If society concentrated more on getting the yobs and chavs sorted out whilst allowing decent people to get on with their lives I think we'd be in a much better place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meeshsalts Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Some people may be upset by this case and think the couple are being victimised by political correctness, but it's about human rights for all not just a few. I work 20 hours a week mini on Transgender Rights, because we are not pervs, we are people with a medically accepted condition which can only 99% be treated by changing our gender. We don't have the backing of rich gay people so we do this campaining off our own backs.A lot of Gay rights groups will not support us and do not like the LGBT label because some backers will not support them with money if they include the 'T' so that is why you see a lot calling themselves LGB instead. Everyday Newspapers tell people surgery costs £20,000+ when the fact is it costs $11,500 and if the NHS would pay for people to go abroad £3000 up. On Friday I am seeing the Minister for Health to got Being Transgender a Psychological condition changed. This will allow people to pick and choose who they see for this condition thus bringing down the cost to the Tax payer. The NHS Clinics charge the PCT £10,000+ a year for 5 visits a year not surgery which means usually £20,000 because they like to keep you there 2 years. Where as you can see a private specialist for the same amount of visits for £1000 yes £1000. But because it is a pschiatric condition the right to choose who you see under NHS rules is fixed by NHS because they regard you as not being able to make that choice yourself if you have a Psychiatric condition. This action could reduce the bill for this condition by £millions or pounds. This is half the work I do a week for which I recieve no money at all, I will even be paying my own costs to meet the Minister, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
art1972@sky.com Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Good luck with your work Michelle, I hope you manage to get your point across. As before this country does need to sort out its priorities (although I suspect a lot more votes can be gained from the yobs and chavs). I couldnt give a monkey what colour, sexuality, religion anyone is - just respect the law and other people, life would be easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa (Fragglebabe) Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 disgusting what is this world coming to???? Best of luck with your visit Michelle x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staceybob Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Good lucky Michelle, I hope it goes well as far as the trans community and LGB is concerned, to some degree I can kind of understand why T isn't included - I do believe trans people need support and organisations to help them, so I think there should be a trans based organisation but with Stonewall and things like that, I can understand that it's because they help people that have problems with coming out as being sexually interested in the same sex, not people that have gender identity troubles. I don't mean for that to sounds offensive at all, but one is liking the same sex and the other is feeling that you should be the completely opposite gender, therefore I think they require two different types of help. This is the only reason why I support LGB not including T. I am aware though that some trans people have issues with liking the same sex, and for those, yes, they will require LGB help as well. In my opinion, I think it's about having some T organisations, some LGB organisations and then some large LGBT organisations in order to provide effective support. Stacey xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meeshsalts Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Cheers Stacy. The main problem I have with Stonewall is the name. It is named after the Stonewall Riots. If you look what caused the riots, it was Transgenders that stood up against the police and then the gay community got involved. If they don't want to help the 'T's' who did more for gay rights that day than anyone else.They should respect the Trans community and change their name. I have worked on commities with reps of Stonewall and have found some of them as much bigots as others. They wanted to award a newspaper writter a couple of years ago who stated Trans people are just gay people who want gay sex but haven't got the guts to do so with changing their gender first. Stacy you say it is about coming out as Lesbian or Gay. Do you know the amount of times parents tell me they wish their kids were gay rather than Trans. It is just as hard to come out as trans than being gay. I support gay rights as much as any other gay person after all I am a lesbian. But I have been bared from joining Lesbian groups because I wasn't born a woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staceybob Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Didn't know that about Stonewall. I can see why that would be particularly annoying to the trans community. And I'm sure coming out as trans isn't easy, I was simply just pointing out the differences in why coming out as either trans or gay are very different so I can see why they need two different types of support. I can't believe you've been barred from places though; that's just ridiculous. Stacey xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meeshsalts Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Cheers guys. We Trans Yorkshire are two people, we have been working at this for 3 years. We got the NHS in Yorkshire to provide the best service in the UK. we got waiting list times down from 3 years at Leeds Clinic and 5 years plus at Sheffield, we got the essesments down from 6 to 3 before people can be on the pathway. We got hair removal (beard), breast aug for those who don't develop, voice therapy and a choice of surgeons 4 rather than 1 as before. We made both clinics come into the 21 century and be accountable something they weren't before. We got for 2 years the chance for patients to have the choice to go private rather than wait (this was before the clinics waiting time came down). Jennifer was actualy the first person to take up this offer and is how we met. Her treatment in total was £15,000 rather than the £40,000 it would have cost through the normal NHS route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meeshsalts Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Stacy it is not about how we a differant, most LGB groups like stonewall are funded by rich gay men and a lot stipulate that if groups put in the T they will not fund that group so rather than stand up and say no the groups back down to pressure from these rich people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daxwax Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Best of luck for your meeting Michelle, I never imagined for one second that it was in any way an 'easy' process to go through but I had no idea what kind of pointless and expensive bureaucracy was involved. Fingers crossed that progress continues to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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