Liz Jones Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Just come back from the vets and a conversation with a vet nurse who i think hates dogs :mad: Indi is due to be spayed on Thursday and she suffers from nervous aggression which has only been evident when going to the vets. We have been working on this with our vet and taking her in for treats with and without Freya. She has not been doing too badly. Today she had an appointment with the vet nurse to answer any questions I might have about the operation. While awaiting in the waiting room Indi was doing very well, until a very aggitated Lab came in and starting to bark. Indi started to join in as Sibes do. When we entered the room, Indi would not be quiet and carried on barking, this is very unusual for her. She usually barks at people who she is either wary of or just doesn't like. So the nurse then states she feels that she needs to go and see a behaviourist and learn how to stop barking. I explain that she never barks and is only displaying this behaviour as she is nervous. (felt like saying and she doesnt like you!) She is still insisting that she go and see a behavourist, and that me reassuring her is only sustaining this behaviour and that I needed to be firm with her :mad: How can I teach her a command to stop barking when she never barks???? She also said when I explained that Indi was nervous following a bad experience when she was chipped, "oh no she will have forgotten about that!!!!" She obviously does not know Sibes who never forget anything!!! She was not growling or snapping she was extremely nervous and wanted to leave the room, so was barking to get our attention to open the door. She also said that I need to socialise her more I have two sibes and no matter where you go you attract attention. Kids and people come up for a stroke or a cuddle. How much more socialisation does she need? Maybe I need to get everyone to wear green overalls:confused: Just upset and wanted to know how you guys feel, do I need to look into getting a behviourist to work with her??? or should I just change my vet's Thanks to those who got to this point... feel a little better now it's out of my system. But worried now about Thursday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormchaser09 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 I think the nurse is the one who needs to see a behaviourist to be honest. Speak to whoever is in charge and arrange that you don't ever have to see that nurse again. My mum had a similar experience with her young collie, who just adores everybody, her whole wee body wiggles, Anyway one locum vet was so rough with her she didn't want to go back in, mum spoke to person in charge and doesn't see the stupid one anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Angel n Auroras Mum Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 ummm either change your vets or state "that eeeejit who needs to go back to college never touches my dogs again"!!!!!!! Stupid cow! honestly. makes you wonder what they teach them at college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taiya Blue and Miko too Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 My personal opinion is that the nurse needs a slap! LOL! errr, dogs do bark!!!! Taiya can have a nervous tendency (not full on agression) if she's with people she's not met before, each time she sees the vet they pop a muzzle on, do what they've got to do, take it off and give her a treat and so far so good. They're aware of it, i'm aware of it and our routine seems to work fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Honestly???? Neither..... I think you may be over-reacting abit, Vets probably get 100000 people that are in denial about their pets bad behavior and temprement (I'm not in anyway saying you are) so its probably become habbit for that particular nurse to strongly encourage things like the above. If the actual care and service they provide is good, then I don't see a reason to change, if its not good, then you should change regardless of what the nurse has said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Jones Posted July 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 My personal opinion is that the nurse needs a slap! LOL! errr, dogs do bark!!!! Taiya can have a nervous tendency (not full on agression) if she's with people she's not met before, each time she sees the vet they pop a muzzle on, do what they've got to do, take it off and give her a treat and so far so good. They're aware of it, i'm aware of it and our routine seems to work fine. When we've been to see the vet that is the same thing they have been doing with Indi and yes it has been working. This nurse just must have got out of the wrong side of the bed and obviously doesn't understand dogs!! Thanks to @stormchaser09 & @Storm&AngelsMum for your kind words, just felt so upset when I got in felt like it was my fault and that i was a bad owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 ummm either change your vets or state "that eeeejit who needs to go back to college never touches my dogs again"!!!!!!! Stupid cow! honestly. makes you wonder what they teach them at college. harsh words tbh Lou.... a suggestion to go and see a dog behaviorist hardly makes someone a stupid cow or an idiot, for all we know if could have been a very stressful bad day for said nurse and she was in a bad mood, we're all guilty of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mydiamond Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 this is normal, most dogs has some nervous breakdown once it is time to see the vet. Dime will always hide under the rocking chair and refused to move an inch when it's time for his checkup x) Possibility A--> this is the nurse's first day. She doesn't know that dogs are often nervous/slightly scared in the vet office. But she doesn't want to look like a newbie, so she acted smart and blurt out whatever suggestion vets usually give x) Possibility B--> this nurse usually deals with plush dogs that doesn't bark or move x( Possibility C--> this nurse is stupid, rude, and in urgent need of a punch in the face =\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Vets are like your local G.P. They are good at diagnosing first line, immediate Physical problems. A lump, or skin rash, etc. However. . . . Once they've identified the problem they then pass you onto a Specialist. They are NOT specialists. I've known a few vets who think they can apply everyday dog behaviour and psychology to Huskies. It just doesn't work that way. If you are a new first time Husky owner, you'll take their advice, because they are professionals. It's their Job. For Physical ills, YEP take mine to the VET. For BEHAVIOURAL, I come here. Why?? Because WE are the experts. WE are the breed SPECIALISTS. Huskies don't think or behave like "most other dogs" as I said in a different thread. 'Sometimes with Huskies you have to do the opposite of what INSTINCT is telling you' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebe03 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 With all due respect to the nurse I would seek the advice of the Vet regarding any potential need to see a behaviourist as they are more qualified to give this level of advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivey Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Aneira has a hard time at the vet and will often curl up to me or my fiance so the vet can't get too close but the moment we walk out she wants everyone to pet her and she loves everyone BUT the vet. like other people have suggested I think you should just ask that you not see that nurse again as she made you feel uncomfortable. It doesn't sound like a behavioral problem to me since she doesn't act like that normally, but then again I'm no expert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Angel n Auroras Mum Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 harsh words tbh Lou.... a suggestion to go and see a dog behaviorist hardly makes someone a stupid cow or an idiot, for all we know if could have been a very stressful bad day for said nurse and she was in a bad mood, we're all guilty of it. just because a dog has a few issues which liz explained to the nurse does not mean it has to go see a behaviourist James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Angel n Auroras Mum Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Vets are like your local G.P. They are good at diagnosing first line, immediate Physical problems. A lump, or skin rash, etc. However. . . . Once they've identified the problem they then pass you onto a Specialist. They are NOT specialists. I've known a few vets who think they can apply everyday dog behaviour and psychology to Huskies. It just doesn't work that way. If you are a new first time Husky owner, you'll take their advice, because they are professionals. It's their Job. For Physical ills, YEP take mine to the VET. For BEHAVIOURAL, I come here. Why?? Because WE are the experts. WE are the breed SPECIALISTS. Huskies don't think or behave like "most other dogs" as I said in a different thread. 'Sometimes with Huskies you have to do the opposite of what INSTINCT is telling you' all bow to the wise one Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 just because a dog has a few issues which liz explained to the nurse does not mean it has to go see a behaviourist James. yes because that is what I was trying to Say Lou..... at the end of the day it was a suggestion... how would like it if you suggested something to someone (whether it was correct or incorrect) and they called you a stupid cow for it? huh huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Angel n Auroras Mum Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 yes because that is what I was trying to Say Lou..... at the end of the day it was a suggestion... how would like it if you suggested something to someone (whether it was correct or incorrect) and they called you a stupid cow for it? huh huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormchaser09 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 harsh words tbh Lou.... a suggestion to go and see a dog behaviorist hardly makes someone a stupid cow or an idiot, for all we know if could have been a very stressful bad day for said nurse and she was in a bad mood, we're all guilty of it. I think the owner knows her dog better than anyone and if she only has a problem with one person ie the nurse then I think it's reasonable to assume that they are the ones with the attitude problem,not the dogs owner.( I know for certain that my mum's dog has absolutely no issueswith anyone but she was totally traumatised by her treatment fromthe locum vet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormchaser09 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 sorry I seem to have quoted wrong bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Angel n Auroras Mum Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 sorry I seem to have quoted wrong bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 I did get confused! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staceybob Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 From working in the vets before, I can tell you that behavioural like referrals generally become "verbal diarreoha" to you. You get asked the same sort of things and see the same sort of things all the time, so you get used to suggesting that for other behaviours you go to a behaviourist. I agree with what you're saying @Andy but the nurse wasn't actually suggesting that she had behavioural knowledge, was simply suggesting that it may be best to see a behaviourist for those types of behaviours. So I'm on the edge of agreeing with @James to be honest. Ultimately, you know your dog. If you don't think they need help from a behaviourist, then don't go to one. Stacey xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed #5 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Liz, I hate to say that I can relate to this problem. Before I moved over here I used an excellent vet - the vet that everyone wants to have available because he *IS* available. Almost all his staff are excellent when it comes to working with the dogs, very seldom have I ever seen a dog muzzled there unless the owner muzzled it before they came in (owner knows his dog so ...) However, a couple of years ago he added a new vet to his practice. My lab (at the time) did *NOT* like this guy. For everyone else, she's roll over and let them do whatever was needed - with him it was always a struggle. His attitude seemed to be "This is business<period>" and got onto whatever he was gonna do while the others who worked there would take a few minutes to talk to me, pet the dog - in general reassure us both that everything was okay. I let this go on for a few visits and then told the seniour vet that his juniour vets "dogside manner" just wasn't acceptable. Either he changed his attitude, or I ws going to have to look at some alternative. That was the last time that I saw the younger professionally, he was still around just never got near my dogs again. In sum: talk to the clinic owner. The nurse may have been having a bad day and if that's the case she needs to work someplace else until she can get her mood in hand (records, restock, etc) If that's her attitude all the time and you can't get around her - then regrettably it'll be time to find a new vet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 So I'm on the edge of agreeing with @James to be honest. Holy.....shhh I never thought I'd hear anyone say that! least of all on here!.... This is quite a moment for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Jones Posted July 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 :sorry:Sorry guys didn't mean my rant to start a debate on how qualified vet nurses are... just upset as she was telling me to take her to see a behaviourist to get advice on stopping her barking! she doesn't bark only when stressed ie at the vets How can you teach a dog to stop doing something when they don't do it all the time As Andy rightly said you come here to ask advice and guidance on any issues we might be having and maybe I should have cooled off before posting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 :sorry:Sorry guys didn't mean my rant to start a debate on how qualified vet nurses are... just upset as she was telling me to take her to see a behaviourist to get advice on stopping her barking! she doesn't bark only when stressed ie at the vets How can you teach a dog to stop doing something when they don't do it all the time As Andy rightly said you come here to ask advice and guidance on any issues we might be having and maybe I should have cooled off before posting sometimes a rant allows people to forward ideas that new members might not have heard or considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed #5 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 :sorry:Sorry guys << snipped >> As Andy rightly said you come here to ask advice and guidance on any issues we might be having and maybe I should have cooled off before posting You're sorry because you ran into an unexpected situation - naw, you gotta come up with a better reason to be sorry than that! Sometimes we need to rant - or I think it's correctly called "venting". Something didn't go the way we expected and we need to be able to "get a reality check" or "let off steam" doesn't matter which. We've all been there and sometimes the best way of "cooling off" is by posting a rant! Feel better Liz?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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