reasons NOT to breed!?

[BingBlaze n Skyla]

i need them and quick! - dad wants to mate skyla - me and mum are DEAD set against it! - i said no cuz im not gonna clean up after 8 puppies peeing n pooping everywhere - she might not have 8 pups he says NO she might have MORE than 8!

need reasons to reel off to him why its a BAD idea! if he mentions it again please

thanks

[Arooroomom]

http://workingdogs.com/vcnobreed.htm

SO YOU WANT TO BE A BREEDER? - Breeding the female

So you want to breed your female. You know what to expect if everything goes right. Your little girl will present you with tiny bundles of joy. She will lovingly nurse them and care for them until they are old enough to be weaned.

You and your family will find great joy in watching and playing with these little dolls, and then when the time is right they will all (or maybe you keep just one) go off to special homes to live out their lives as cherished companions. But have you given consideration to what if something goeswrong? I have listed here a few of the problems that I myself have personal knowledge of. Everything listed has happened either to me or someone I know. These are not isolated incidents. I'm sure other breeders could add miles to my list. Learn by others mistakes!. Let the breeding up to those who know what they are doing, have the experience, know what to expect.

WHAT IF DURING THE BREEDING

1. The stud dog you have chosen is carrying a venereal disease and gives it to your female. She not only doesn't conceive but you have to pay the vet bills to get her infection cleared up and she is now sterile.

2. The stud dog you decided to breed your darling to is not experienced. Once the two dogs are joined tightly in a tie, he decides to chase the neighbors cat out of his yard. He bolts for the cat ripping his penis loose and causing your bitch to hemorrhage from within.

3. Your modest girl decides she doesn't want the attentions of this gigolo mutt chosen for her without her consent. She snaps at him catching her tooth on his loose cheek and rips it open sending blood flying everywhere. He retaliates by sinking his teeth into her left eye.

4. You leave your dog with the stud owner because the breeding is not going very swiftly. In fact , it's been three hours and nothing is happening. The stud owners leave the two dogs alone in the back yard. The dogs get out through a tiny hole in the fence and a truck hits your female.

5. You pay the $250-$1000 stud fee up front figuring you will make that and more back when the pups sell. The breeder guarantees the stud service to work or you can come back again. After 2 months you discover it didn't work and now must wait another 4 months to try again. Of course it doesn't work again, so in another 4 months you take your dog to another male and risk loosing another stud fee.

6. You get her bred. Bring her home. She bothers you so you let her out she is still in heat and still receptive to males. You hear a commotion outside there is your girl tied up with the neighborhood mutt. when she whelps there will need to be DNA tests done on the pups.

7. You get her bred. Bring her home and let her out. (She is still in heat and receptive to other males) but you do not see the neighborhood mutt breed her. The pups are born but look odd. You call the stud owner he suggests DNA testing (At your expense). You have a litter of mutts! What do you do about the ones you have already sold?

8. Or knowing she tied with the neighborhood mutt you decide to terminate the pregnancy and try again being more careful next time. But a few weeks later your female is very sick because you had her given a miss-mate shot creating a hormonal imbalance causing a uterine infection and now she has Pyometra and needs a complete hysterectomy. All plans of getting a litter is gone and your female's life is now in danger if she does not have the operation.

WHAT IF DURING THE BIRTH

1. The puppies are too large for the female. She never goes into labor, the puppies die and she becomes infected by the decaying bodies.

2. The puppies are coming breech and they drown in their own sacks before they can be born.

3. The first puppy is large and breech. When it starts coming your female starts screaming, and before you can stop her she reaches around, grabs the puppy in her teeth and yanks it out killing it instantly.

4. A puppy gets stuck. Neither your female nor you can get it out. You have to race her to the vet. The vet can't get it out either. She has to have an emergency caesarian section of course it is 3:00 am Christmas day.

5. A puppy is coming out breech and dry (the water sack that protects them has burst). It gets stuck. Mom tries to help it out by clamping her teeth over one of the back legs. The head and shoulders are firmly caught. Mom pulls on the leg, hard, peeling the flesh from the leg and leaving a wiggling stump of bone.

6. A dead puppy gets stuck in the birth canal, but your female is well into hard labor. She contracts so hard trying to give birth that her uterus ruptures and she bleeds to death on the way to the vet.

WHAT IF DIRECTLY AFTER THE BIRTH

1. The mother has no idea what to do with a puppy and she drops them out and walks away, leaving them in the sack to drown.

2. The mother takes one look at the puppies, decides they are disgusting droppings and tries to smother them in anything she can find to bury them in.

3. The mother gets too enthusiastic in her removal of the placenta and umbilical cord, and rips the cord out leaving a gushing hole pulsing blood all over you as you try in vain to stop the bleeding.

4. Or, she pulls on the cords so hard she disembowels the puppies as they are born and you have a box full of tiny, kicking babies with a tangle of guts the size of a walnut hanging from their stomachs. Of course all the babies must be put to sleep.

5. What if because of some Hormone deficiency she turns vicious allowing no one near her or the babies, who she refuses to nurse, or you have to interfere with.

6. You notice something protruding from her vagina when you let her out to pee. You take her to the vet to discover a prolapsed uterus, which needs to be removed.

WHAT IF WHEN YOU THINK YOU'RE IN THE CLEAR

1. One or more of the puppies inhaled fluid during birth, pneumonia develops and death occurs within 36 hours.

2. What if the mother's milk goes bad. You lose three of your four puppies before you discover what is wrong. You end up bottle feeding the remaining pup every two hours, day and night. After three days the puppy fades from infection and dies.

3. The puppies develop fading puppy syndrome you lose two. You bottle-feeding or tube feeding the last remaining baby. It begins to choke and despite your efforts to clear the airway, the pup stiffens and dies in your hands.

4. Your female develops mastitis and her breast ruptures.

5. Your female develops a uterine infection from a retained placenta. Her temperature soars to 105. You race her to the vet, he determines she must be spayed. He does the spay in an attempt to save her life, you pay the hundreds of dollars bill. The infection has gone into her blood stream. The infected milk kills all the puppies and the bitch succumbs a day later.

6. All the puppies are fine but following the birth the female develops a hormone imbalance. She becomes a fear biter and anytime anyone tries to touch her she viciously attacks them.

7. Mom and pups seem fine, the puppies are four weeks old and are at their cutest. However, one day one of the puppies disappears. You search everywhere but you can't find it. A few days later another puppy is gone. And another. You can't figure how on earth the puppies are getting out of their safe 4' x 4' puppy pen. Finally there is only one puppy left. The next morning you find the mother chomping contentedly on what is left of the last murdered puppy.

WHAT IF THE NEW HOMES AREN'T SO HAPPY

1. You give a puppy to a friend. Their fence blows down so they tie the puppy outside while they go to work. A roving dog comes along and kills the puppy. Your friend calls you up to tell you about the poor little puppy and asks when you are having more puppies.

2. You sell a puppy to an acquaintance. The next time you see them you ask how the puppy is doing. They tell you that it soiled their new carpet so they took it to the pound

3. You sell a puppy to a friend (you give them a good price and payments). They make a couple of tiny payments. Six months later they move to an apartment. They ask you to take it back. You take it back and of course the payments stop. The dog they returned is so shy, and ill mannered from lack of socialization and training it takes you a year of work providing socializing and training to be able to give it away.

4. You sell a puppy to a wonderful home. They love her like one of the family. At a vet check done by their vet it is determined that the puppy has a heart murmur. (Your vet found nothing when he checked the puppy before it was sold.) They love their puppy and want the best for her. They have an expensive surgery done. The puppy is fine. They sue you for the medical costs. They win, because you did not have a contract stipulating conditions of guarantee and so as breeder you are responsible for the puppy's genetic health.

5. You give a puppy to your mother. She is thrilled. Two years later the puppy starts developing problems. It begins to develop odd symptoms and is suffering. Hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth of tests later it is finally discovered that the dog is suffering from a terminal condition that was inherited. possibly from your female since you know nothing about her family lines.

6. One loving home decides your puppy is untrainable, destructive and wants to return the pup and get a full refund, which you have spent on your vet bills.

7. One loving couple calls you and is very upset because their pup has crippling hip dysplasia and want to know what you are going to do about it. You have spayed your female so a replacement is out of the question, looks like another refund.

THE SALE

1. You put your ad in the local paper for your pups at the usual price and get only 2 responses and no sales. You cut the pup's price in half and broaden your advertising to 3 other newspapers in which the advertising totals $120.00 a week.

2. You get a few more puppy inquiries from people who ask all about health testing you did before breeding and if the pups are registered. You tell them your dogs are healthy and it was enough and that you could get the papers. The callers politely thank you and hang up.

3. The pups are now 4 months old and getting bigger , eating alot and their barking is really beginning to annoy the neighbors who call the police who inform you of the $150.00 noise by-law.

4. Your neighbors also call the humane society who comes out to inspect the care of your dogs. You pass inspection but end up feeling stressed and harassed.

5. You finally decide to give the rest of the litter away but still have to pay the $1200.00 advertising bill and the $600.00 vet bill.

So you gotta ask yourself: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, "breeder?"

-Laura Turner, author

(Reposted from woodhavenlabs.com)

[Biggles]

Vet bills that he would have to fund. Just reel off how much if it is a straightforward birth then starting adding on the ifs e.g. c. section and other problems. Also the fact that there are currently 749 huskies on Gumtree for sale, not counting all the other sites and if you don't get a sale for all the puppies is he happy to pick up the bills for any leftover pups. Don't think you'll get anywhere with cleaning the poop up etc if he is seeing £ signs in his eyes but start hitting his wallet and him seeing the money he thinks he's gonna make go down the drain he may think again. Also is he going to pay the stud fees? Poor you and Skylabear

[BingBlaze n Skyla]

thanks

i dont think its money he sees but dunno why he thinks it will be a good idea

mum wont have any of it tho so it wont happen but always good to have extra info to reel off just incase

[Ravenwolf]

Kristina covered it pretty spectacularly. Print and present!

From the sounds of it on this forum, husky adoption agencies in the UK are filled to bursting. Point out to your dad that there's already so many unwanted huskies nearby, why add more to the population? If he knows someone who wants a husky, he can point them to one of the rescues. How many pups is he willing to keep if he can't find homes for them? You've already got 3 dogs - how many more could he keep?

[Marley & Lumikkis Mummy]

link to the rescue pages on facebook and then see if he still thinks its a good idea, apart from the fact that isnt Skyla a rescue ? Is she KC registered ? price of health checks ect........

[SaraB]

Could kill her. Puppies could die. Lots of vet bills. Puppies, even as young as 5 weeks, are very destructive! I thought they got really mad at you if your dogs did anything bad like chew or have an accident? Puppies = chewing and accidents! lol.

[BingBlaze n Skyla]

link to the rescue pages on facebook and then see if he still thinks its a good idea, apart from the fact that isnt Skyla a rescue ? Is she KC registered ? price of health checks ect........

yeh she is but we do have her papers - he is willing to health check her :/

[Michelle Melsom]

He would have to get her hips and eyes checked, learn how to properly help Sky with her birthing, write up a responsible contract saying if you cant take care of ur pup we take them back and that means having the space to take them back and also to save the overflowing rescues there he would probably have to make it so they have to get the pups fixed. Also shots for the pups...deworming...dew claws removed and prolly best to actually have a wait list before the breeding occurs so this means finding proper people to home them. There is a chance of Skyla dying from complications...puppies dying. He would have to learn what to do in general for breeding its not just hey my dog humps your dog and thats it Lots of vet visits and checkups ...stud fees making sure the stud is registered even if he is registered is he a good breed standard ( too many huskies that dont look like proper huskies out there) and that skyla is KC registered..applying for the puppies papers and most of all becasue your rescues are overflowing like mad over there it is just a bad idea >.< Tell him no wayyyy and kick him in the bum its your dog

Also first litters are usually small like 2-4 puppies Marius came from a first litter and there were only 3

[Sid_Wolf]

not to mention her agression with females, temperament can be hereditory

[Hyshqa]

Take his money to get her health tests done, make some fake 'failed' tests, and then buy yourself something nice

[Kissu & Aara]

Take his money to get her health tests done' date=' make some fake 'failed' tests, and then buy yourself something nice [/quote']

Rofl yes! Then make up some excuse as to where the new stuff came from.

[BingBlaze n Skyla]

Take his money to get her health tests done, make some fake 'failed' tests, and then buy yourself something nice

lmao that sounds like a plan

not to mention her agression with females, temperament can be hereditory

shes not bad with all girls - i dont think thats her i think thats more to do with her attack n stuff as she never used to be funny with other dog at all

he doesnt see that side of her anyway

it wont happen anyway he has no chance - even mum said so lol

[Tams Teeko and Keeta]

Maybe its a man thing! I had to really put my foot down with the oh as he wanted to go down the stud root with teeko. My main arguments were health, huge risks and the fact that out of a litter of 6 to 8 pups, at least one will probably go on to have a terrible life and be pushed from pillar to post no matter how careful we'd be with checking people.

Then I booked his castration and told him that Teeko was booked in...end of story.

Theres a zillion reasons in this thread for you to throw at him now! :-D

[Ravenwolf]

Maybe its a man thing! I had to really put my foot down with the oh as he wanted to go down the stud root with teeko. My main arguments were health, huge risks and the fact that out of a litter of 6 to 8 pups, at least one will probably go on to have a terrible life and be pushed from pillar to post no matter how careful we'd be with checking people.

Then I booked his castration and told him that Teeko was booked in...end of story.

Theres a zillion reasons in this thread for you to throw at him now! :-D

My husband was the same way - probably some stereotypical male virility thing, LOL. We were offered an unspayed female once and he turned to me with an excited expression and the suggestion of puppies. I fired him what he dubs the "instant divorce" look, and that was the end of that conversation!

[Tams Teeko and Keeta]

I fired him what he dubs the "instant divorce" look, and that was the end of that conversation!

Oooo I need to get me one of those!

[jules dief taz tor]

the reason we decided not to breed , the health risk to tori . and the fact to be responsible we would have wanted a contract stating the dogs were to be returned to us if anything happened , real life , what the hell would we do if a couple were returned with really bad issues . and how would you feel if a pup you had created , ended up in a rescue , or having been abused etc. i couldnt do it .

[sutsibe]

Also first litters are usually small like 2-4 puppies Marius came from a first litter and there were only 3

Not necessarily so! I've known of a good few first litters where there were 8 puppies - or more!

[Elyse]

Great posts on here!

My brother said, that for his next dog...he'd probably get a male and he won't have him neutered. He said its not right...although he's fine with getting a female spayed.

Males.

[Tan J P]

Not necessarily so! I've known of a good few first litters where there were 8 puppies - or more!

absolutely.....Shadow came from a litter of 9 :eek: and was the only girlie:)

[NewSibeMom]

Great posts on here!

My brother said, that for his next dog...he'd probably get a male and he won't have him neutered. He said its not right...although he's fine with getting a female spayed.

Males.

Oh god, so true Elyse! Nick and Dad are both telling me I'm being 'cruel' to remove Blazie's danglies...I told them it'd be more cruel if he ever got loose and impregnated someone's female in the neighborhood and they were saddled with a litter of unwanted puppies.

[Michelle Melsom]

Not necessarily so! I've known of a good few first litters where there were 8 puppies - or more!

Wow really? good to know I was always told they were smaller

[Michelle Melsom]

Oh god, so true Elyse! Nick and Dad are both telling me I'm being 'cruel' to remove Blazie's danglies...I told them it'd be more cruel if he ever got loose and impregnated someone's female in the neighborhood and they were saddled with a litter of unwanted puppies.

That and he had that jaw/tooth issue that would be passed to his pups no pup should have to go thru that

[Kissu & Aara]

Kissu's mom had only two and I'm pretty sure it was her first litter.

[Merlina]

we had 7 pups, they poop everywhere, bite cables you run constant 24/7 after them (unless you are so heartless and put them in a cage) ...ask him for his reasons why he wants to breed in the first place, because belive me there is not much money to make with all the stuff you have to replace in the first place, then what if anything in labour goes wrong, we jumped into a bit blue eyed to be honest then we didn't even leave the pups alone over night either so my partner spent 9 weeks(till last pup was picked up) on the sofa

don't get me wrong i loved every single day with them,but its very stressfull ...special if you wake up in the mornings to a lot of "crap"